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Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Wednesday, March 26, 2008

WESTON, Wis. —  An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday.

"She got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.

Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.

They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.

The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.

Telephone messages left at the Neumann home by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.

The family does not attend an organized church or participate in an organized religion, Vergin said. "They have a little Bible study of a few people."

The parents told investigators their daughter last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots, Vergin said. The girl had attended public school during the first semester but didn't return for the second semester.

Officers went to the home after one of the girl's relatives in California called police to check on her, Vergin said. She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.

The relative was fearful the girl was "extremely ill, dire," Vergin said.

The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."

The girl's death remains under investigation and the findings will be forwarded to the district attorney to review for possible charges, the chief said.

The family operates a coffee shop in Weston, which is a suburb of Wausau, Vergin said.

I rarely feel the need to discuss my personal life on these boards but when I read this article because it struck so close to home I felt like I should.  You see my mother believes in faith healing and like the family above has chosen not to receive treatment of any kind for her uterine and cervical cancer.  After a lifetime of cysts and fibroid tumors she had a pap smear done twenty years ago.  The pap smear came back abnormal and the doctor told her she should take it to the next step and be tested for cancer, etc.  She refused.  She said God would heal her.  Okay, that was twenty years ago so skip forward to the present.  Nine months ago my father literally forced her into going to the doctor.   She had been bleeding for two, yes two, years.  After menopause.  She had not shared this with my sister and I because well, frankly we were not close due to a lifetime of problems. The results came back positive for cancer.  Uterine and cervical.  Once again she has refused treatment stating that God will heal her.  I am watching her steadily go downhill.  In this case - I am the daughter of a grown woman and there is no way that I can make her do the things that I know would help her.  Her choices are her choices not mine.  But the 11 year old child above had no choices.  Her parents selfishly made the choice for her and now she is dead.  What I'm trying to say is don't let your religion blind you to the truth.  God gave humans the curiosity to look for and find answers to the problems that life presents us.  That is where doctors come in. 

Do I feel as though the other children in the family are in possible danger?  Absolutely.  Do I feel as though the parents should be charged in this case?  100%.  I am watching my mother die a painful, horrible death that could have been avoided.  Would I wish that on anyone?  NO!  And these parents did this to this child deliberately to fulfill their own selfish spiritual desire to prove that God can heal.  Well God also gave you a brain to use.  So use it folks.  Use it.

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mskaytenn read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:20 AM

Morning Sian! I think this is neglect on her parents part. Every parent knows that a child should be seen atleast once a year by a doctor. While I put alot of faith in God, I also use common sense. These parents should be held accountable for their actions, they allowed their daughter to live her days like this. Sorry to hear about your mom Sian, but you know that most elderly people are stubborn, and set in their ways. I'm sure there was something that the doctor could have done for her, but like you said, she is an adult, and can't be forced. It's like trying to force someone into rehad, when they haven't made the decision to go on their own.

SianSkye read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:35 AM

Morning MsKay! You hit the nail on the head with your comment about common sense. Because of their lack of common sense this eleven year old is dead. And it is neglect! They condemned their daughter to die. Did you catch the part about them believing she will be resurrected? I'm not sure if they mean in this life or the next. With people like this you can't be sure. :-(

Thanks friend for the sympathy, I do appreciate it. The thing about my mother is that she is only 58 years old. The first pap smear was done when she was in her thirties. Age had nothing to do with her stubborness. She's always been that way, lol. She refused any treatment and refuses to take any sort of painkiller because they are narcotics. I may not agree, and I don't, but it is her choice.

Too bad that little girl didn't have a choice. If she had she may have lived. I believe firmly that God helps those who help themselves. I believe he expects us to use the brain that he gave us.

TruTigerGirl read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:51 AM

I agree with you 100%. This is child abuse/neglect. The other children need to be removed from the house...

And I'm sorry that your mom is sick...

mskaytenn read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:54 AM

These people seem to have some other issues going on. Why else would they allow their daughter to go through this? I know that this is hard for you, this is your mother. But what can you do? Is your mother by chance a Taurus? I am a Taurus, and I have been told that I'm stubborn, but I don't think so...LOL!

SianSkye read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:59 AM

Thanks Tiger.

Like MsKay and I were talking about - it is abuse and or neglect. The 11 year olds death is a direct result of her parents choosing to not allow her to have proper medical care. That is negelct. And abuse. Diabetes is something that can be controlled these days. This was not necessarily a death sentence but look how it turned out. The other kids are in danger. What might happen if one of the other kids were seriously injured or got sick?

SianSkye read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:03 AM

MsKay - I grew up in a home where everything (and one) revolved around my mothers religion. And I say hers because she, like these people in the article, never went to an established church. When she did she never stayed because someone offended her or didn't agree with what she interpreted the bible as meaning. These are people that are very self-involved. They have a cult-like mentality. How they intepret the bible is the only way. The only way. No other options allowed. Their personal beliefs overlie whatever they read in the bible and they will take it and try to twist it to what they want. Make the two meet so to speak. The sad thing is they don't even realize they do it. They they are angry and hurt when other people don't automatically agree with them. It's narcissism at it's finest.

SianSkye read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:06 AM

And no MsKay, she's not a Taurus, lololol, she's a Libra. I'm a Capricorn, lololol, can you tell??????? :-)

sonnygll read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:14 AM

Sian, I still have you, your family and MOM in my prayers and thoughts, I wish her well but I know you said she is dying a painful death, God Bless you all.

mskaytenn read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:23 AM

LOL, yes I can Sian!!

Hey Sonny, where have you been?

sonnygll read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:29 AM

Hey MsKayTenn, I have been having trouble with my crazy neighbor AGAIN, lol These kids will never learn til they hit the jail cell I recon, It's been driving me crazy, got my ulcer acting up.

foxydiva1974 read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:35 AM

Wow, Sianskye! I am sorry to hear about your mom. I am sure it is painful to watch. My siblings and I watched my father die a painful death. He had brain tumors and cancer. I feel that God has blessed man with a unique gift to create cures and medicines to prolong life. Yes, it is good to operate in faith but why not try it all in order to live longer.

I am glad you shared your story it touched my heart tremendously! God bless you Sianskye!

mskaytenn read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:44 AM

Sonny, I know that neighbor is driving you nuts. Sorry to hear that your ulcer is acting up. I hope you feel better. Ophelia Ford said that she had a bleeding ulcer, and that's why she had been sick. I'm not sure if this is true, but she looks very sick and frail. Sorry to get off subject.

sonnygll read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:56 AM

You know MsKayTenn, I heard that also and I have never had mine bleed but I know one thing when it acts up it is very painful, so I can really understand Ophelia and what she went through and I am sure it's not gone away by far, maybe the bleeding, but I have been treating mine for years and nothing really helps it.
Sorry Sian, just catching up here:):)

SianSkye read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 10:17 AM

Sonny - Thank You. :-)
Foxy - You've been there. I'm sorry you had to go through that. It is not the easy. For anyone involved. Thank you for the support.

MsKay and Sonny - ladies have at it, lol. Catching up is good for the soul. :-) Sonny sorry to hear about the ulcer & I hope your neighbor situation gets straightened out.

sonnygll read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 12:36 PM

Your welcome Chickie,

AAAH this ulcer is just an annoying pest,
I hope this crap between my neighbor and all the others stop pretty fast too,I still see that things are not yet over,,, really can't wait to move away from all this mess.

Have a Good one:)

irishoaks read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:39 PM

Hi y'all. Sonny, I can give you the name of my tummy doc, if you want. He's good, wears Mickey Mouse ties because of all the youknowwhat that has to be put up with with paper work. Sorry you've have this--been there, done that.. Sian, you all will be in my prayers. My dad had bladder and prostate CA, then died of leukemia. He did treat the first two, but did not get treatment with the leukemia. Foxy, see you've been there, too. God bless us all.
Back to the thread, God does bless us all. He give knowledge and ability to heal to doctors, to people who discover or make medicines to be used for our good. I can not judge an adult who chooses not to use any of these. But a child needs the advantage to live long enough to make the decision for himself, don't you think? I believe if one took a trip over to St. Jude's, one would find most children are well aware of their condition. They are fighting for their very lives. I am sure there are times that some say 'that's enough', but the most are serious warriors. That 11 year old could have had a very normal life with medication.

SianSkye read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 8:46 PM

Irish - you're absolutely correct. The choice never belonged to the child and she was never able to become an adult who could make her own choices. This was such a treatable thing. It would have been so simple to save her life.

55loveit read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:54 PM

sian i had a freind that had a mother that was in the same religion it drove her crazy she would follow this preacher all over the world and she got real sick and said god would heal her yes he took the pain away forever she passed away some yrs ago but refused to go to a dr my friend s dad would take her and her siblings to the dr behind her moms back that was terible to so i understand a little what you are going through that you have to see your mom in so much pain but i will never no the hurt you are going through and yes it is sad that the parents didn't get help for this little girl they should be held accountable i guess my friend was lucky that her father didn't beleive and he would take them to the dr i do beleive in god i know he can bless us but i think we have to use common sense also i will be praying for you and your mom

SianSkye read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 11:12 PM

55, Thank you.

Believe it or not there are more than just a few people out there who refuse any kind of medical care whatsoever. Thank goodness your friends father had some common sense about him. I'm sorry though that her mother passed away.

55loveit read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 11:40 PM

you welcome sian but my friend was perpared when the day came but she misses her mom i know it still hurts her but i will keep you and your mom in my prayers yes there is a lot of people in faith healing

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